Why Bernie Sanders is still the most progressive choice for president

first_img Report Report | Pick dissapointed123 It’s actually not real. The media inflates it because it apes social media, where the novel is succesful and the mundane is ignored.Most people on the left, regardless of colour and gender aren’t like the empty tin cans in the media/social media. Unfortunately they often come across this way because they feel they have to defend those who are seen as symbolising the left.It’s like religion: if you judge by social media/media you would think that most Christians are Creationists and most Muslim are radical fundamentalists. In reality these groups are a small minority, but they are the ones that generate publicity and they are the one that are remembered. View more comments Share on Twitter Reply Twitter FeliciorAugusto Shares2,3222322 Bronxite Reply baldisgood Facebook Share on Facebook Share on Twitter Share on Twitter Twitter Twitter candoll … we have a small favour to ask. 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Remember the last election was decided by few thousand votes in crucialstates like MI-Penn-Wis…. (that 2-million more votes were mainly from CA).Also, yes we elected Obama, but, “it was the economy stupid”. IMHO, if theeconomy does not tank, then Bernie has no chance against Trump. Why cannot we have someone else with the same message?? My choices1—– Chris Murphy,, the Sen. from Conn.2—– Governor Inslee from Wash. State. And for sake of humanity, pls. Pleeeeze say NO to Hillary, Warren, Booker,,, Harris…. and the rest of the calculating opportunists. Facebook Twitter 20 Dec 2018 0:19 | Pick It would be wonderful to see a competition between Trumpism and free health and Education.But sadly the democrats are just slightly left of the GOP.Still very beholden to Wall St etc Reply 59 60 Share on Twitter Report Order by oldest unthreaded Facebook Share Show 25 smallharmlesslizard 50 Share on Facebook Reply Share on Twitter Twitter 3 4 KosmoKen Share on Twitter Share on Twitter Facebook 4 He just seems to talk so much sense. When people call him a Socialist he explains why this isn’t really an insult. Most importantly he seems vaguely honest about things. Actually forget what I just said he’ll never win anything if he doesn’t lie more so maybe he’s not the best candidate. DanInTheDesert Report | Pick TheRedThreat Reply 19 Dec 2018 22:54 Quikwit | Pick Reply 2 Share on Twitter Show 2 more replies Twitter | Pick Due to the large number of comments, they are being shown 100 per page. Share 20 Dec 2018 2:03 Share on Twitter 12 13 Facebook 19 Dec 2018 22:33 Facebook Share Twitter | Pick 56 57 Close report comment form Share on Facebook | Pick TheRedThreat Share on Twitter 19 Dec 2018 22:28 Share 1 2 Reply candoll Share | Pick 3 4 | Pick Report LibertineUSA 19 Dec 2018 22:23 Share via Email And yet you somehow fail to mention the genuinely exceptional Stacey Abrams. Beto O’Rourke poses growing threat to fellow Democrats with 2020 hopes Report 19 Dec 2018 23:14 19 Dec 2018 22:42 Not so much Bernie though, that’s exactly why he didn’t even get given a chance. First Mate Share on Facebook Report Share Share on Facebook Share My default candidate will be Bernie, if he runs. I will listen to the others. The criticisms the author lays out in this piece are legitimate. But people do change. I never have a closed mind when faced with making choices of this nature but I have trouble seeing another candidate fitting with my values better than Bernie Sanders… | Pick Share on Facebook Share on Twitter 19 Dec 2018 22:25 Share on Facebook Twitter mbidding Share on Twitter mikedow 40 41 | Pick Share Report Very likely, actually; the Night of the Long Knives has just begun on the right. However, this is all irrelevant. Sheer numbers of new voters motivated by the Orange Mushroom have ended the GOP. Apathy was the reason the Trumpistanis got their Orange Ayatoilet in the WH. One-time anomaly. 4 5 | Pick | Pick Twitter Share on Twitter William Anthony Share Share on Twitter | Pick newest | Pick Twitter Show 10 more replies William Anthony Twitter 5 6 20 Dec 2018 0:57 Share on Facebook Facebook Facebook Opinion Share Report Republicans Share Report 43 44 Report Report Twitter 6 7 Share on Twitter Twitter 0 1 Reply 1 2 25 26 Share 20 Dec 2018 0:00 4 5 Reply Share on Twitter HHeLiBe Reply Facebook 108 109 Report | Pick Richard Sheehan Report Share Facebook 10 11 Reply | Pick US politics Reply | Pick smallharmlesslizard LittleJoe1 Twitter Share on Pinterest Report Share on Facebook | Pick Twitter 1 Facebook 19 Dec 2018 22:34 Share on Facebook | Pick He wouldn’t. The Trump bullshit-express would have destroyed him. crawfordcolo 19 Dec 2018 22:34 Facebook hartebeest sanjeeva William Anthony 8 9 Twitter Report Share FuriousKale Facebook … 4 Reply Report Facebook nikgregor But surely the immediate priority has to be to stop Trump. I’m afraid dreams of a socialist utopia have to be put on hold if they interfere with toppling the damage being done to the planet by a misogynist, white supremacist, climate change denying, child immigrant incarcerating demagogue. Facebook 51 52 Ah, but put them both in a ring and Bernie will knock his block off. Reply candoll Facebook Facebook Twitter I mean, socialist is probably a bit much. But left new dealer updated to take into account issues like climate change? Absolutely it’s possible (if difficult, given the structural problems you mention)- look at AOC. Share on Facebook Matt M Share boban Facebook Bernie was always the logical and sane choice. We had already had enough of the insane right-wing wackos by 2016. 20 Dec 2018 9:33 Share on Twitter Share 1 2 Share on Facebook Share on Facebook 19 Dec 2018 22:51 100 William Anthony William Anthony He’s a walking dumpster. He’s a whiny, entitled, lying, thuggish POS. This comment was removed by a moderator because it didn’t abide by our community standards. Replies may also be deleted. For more detail see our FAQs. 19 Dec 2018 22:22 Share 0 1 1 Bernie did even better than he imagined he would. In what way was he not even given a chance? Nobody interfered with my vote for him. The DNC and the Clinton campaign did not run ads against him. Further, Sanders did overwhelmingly well in caucus states, winning 67% of all caucuses (12 out of 18 states). He only won 34% of primary states (11 out of 32 states). And what does that reveal? That Sanders does better in smaller settings where a handful of political diehards with an evening to kill decide results for hundreds of thousands if not millions of voters. In primary states, where elections are open to far more people than those who can show up on one night for hours and which more closely reflect actual general election voting, Sanders was less popular among a much broader cross section of voters. He lost the nomination by three million votes cast and received 359 fewer delegates, super delegates excluded. He didn’t have a majority of Democrats behind him, let alone the country. Share on Twitter Show 11 more replies Share | Pick Opinion Melty Clock Share on Facebook 19 Dec 2018 22:24 Show 4 more replies | Pick 20 Dec 2018 1:25 Share via Email Bernie is probably the candidate Trump would most prefer to oppose — almost a guarantee of a second term. Let’s hope Hillary has the sense not to run again. Reply | Pick 4 5 SeaNote 19 Dec 2018 23:13 Reply | Pick | Pick | Pick No explanation needed. Sanders’ campaign manager was Jeffery Weaver. 19 Dec 2018 22:33 Twitter Share on Facebook smallharmlesslizard Share on Facebook Reply 19 Dec 2018 22:35 Twitter Very interesting. That was my experience as well. A significant number (10-15%) of the Southern Republicans I know were open to Sanders.*** The well-do-to Republicans and “good ole’ boys” wrote Sanders off as a “Communist” or “Crazy Bernie”. But they were voting Republican regardless of who ran… Working class, non-good ole’ boy Republicans, however, were generally excited about what Sanders was proposing. They seemed to get it. …Indeed, I even witnessed a fight between Republicans at a BBQ when a well-to-do Republican tried to shame a Sanders-sympathizing welder by calling him a Communist (did not end well for the well-to-do Republican). ***Conversely, not one was open to Hillary. Share on Twitter 8 9 Share on Twitter Report 20 Dec 2018 1:51 Report LibertineUSA Indeed. The fact the article mentions a women of colour is ideal rather than an effective candidate who can beat Trump shows how identity politics is running through the left like a cancer. smallharmlesslizard 19 Dec 2018 22:58 Reply Share on Twitter “and to stop bombing brown people to Kingdom come.” Then stop bombing them, if you find you cannot help yourself quitting doing it, get on some program. You do know it is not government policy to just bomb brown people, don’t you? When Saddam was ‘Raping’ Kuwait, should have USA stopped them? Or just let them do Saudi next? When ISIS was taking the region should USA have said – its nothing to do with us? When Saddam was killing, torturing, genociding the Marsh, Shia, Arabs – and Kurds, kleptosizing the nation, destabilizing his Neighbors, developing WMDs (he was, he used them in the trench war with Iran which saw a MILLION killed!) He should have been left alone? When the Taliban were turning Afghanistan into a hell-hole and hosting terrorists USA should have said ‘Go For it’? 7.5 billion in the world, and a couple billion live in war lord lands – and if the powers did not keep them in check a quarter of the world would be at war – but you do not care, do you? Let the brown guys oppress each other, it is fine, right? Wed 19 Dec 2018 09.05 EST Twitter Twitter Reply 19 Dec 2018 23:17 Share on Twitter Facebook 20 Dec 2018 19:36 Facebook Share on Facebook 13 14 comments (1532)Sign in or create your Guardian account to join the discussion. 3 4 3 4 renegadewren As long as it is not a Clinton. 0 1 Share on Twitter SeaNote Share Share 19 Dec 2018 23:05 20 Dec 2018 2:02 19 Dec 2018 22:26 | Pick Facebook Share on Facebook Facebook Share this article just got me fired up about Bernie. Was thinking of backing Biden, but you are 100% right, Bernie is the guy. Beto would be an absolute disaster against Trump. He does not seem like the type of candidate who can galvanize men to the polls, and if you are looking for a candidate who appeals to women, why not just pick a woman? I think Biden would have a chance against Trump, but so too does Bernie and Bernie is definitely the more progressive choice–and the rest of the candidates are deeply flawed and wouldn’t stand a chance Share on Twitter 19 20 19 Dec 2018 22:29 Reply Share on Twitter Bernie Sanders Facebook | Pick Twitter 4 5 Report expatinscandinavia 22 23 nikgregor Twitter Share on WhatsApp 19 Dec 2018 23:13 I’ve actually begun to like Hillary after her defeat. She took it with humility and eventually a bit of humour, and she seems far more likeable now. Twitter Facebook I did,1—Sen. Murphy from Conn. (he works very closely with Bernie on many issues)2—Governor Inslee, Just got re-elected. Very progressive and decent. Twitter | Pick Joe Biden Reply Facebook Share In the battle of the septagenarians Cousin Bernie has 5 years on Donnie. He can chastise Donnie for his youth and inexperience. Share on Facebook Report Share on Twitter Sign in or create your Guardian account to recommend a comment Facebook Report | Pick Reply eveofchange comment LittleJoe1 Share Twitter 2 3 Facebook | Pick Report 19 Dec 2018 22:47 Threads collapsed sanjeeva 19 Dec 2018 23:01 | Pick Facebook Report Share 19 Dec 2018 22:33 Share on Facebook Reply Share on Twitter 8 9 Facebook | Pick Facebook Twitter 20 Dec 2018 2:27 Share Share on Facebook | Pick Share Share Share 20 Dec 2018 2:06 No explanation needed. Sanders’ campaign manager was Jeffery Weaver. Facebook Facebook Twitter 19 Dec 2018 22:17 Share on Facebook William Anthony J S Twitter Facebook Bernie is the guy. Bernie would be an absolute disaster against Trump. is how I read it, and how right it is – run the commie Bernie, get Trump again. I say yes. To appeal to the women and minority voters he needs an appropriate running mate, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez woupd be perfect. Reply 19 Dec 2018 23:16 Share on Facebook Show 22 more replies Report Share on Facebook Share on Twitter Report | Pick Flickr1996 113 114 Reply Share on Facebook | Pick Share Share on Facebook Facebook William Anthony Report | Pick Share on Twitter londonstillrocks Share on Twitter hartebeest Share on Twitter 19 Dec 2018 22:33 Twitter 19 Dec 2018 22:24 Twitter 0 1 Share on Twitter Facebook Reply mbidding LittleJoe1 DarenB Report Report Report Share William Anthony 1 2 Trump has put on a lot of weight in the last two years; his face is permanently flushed and his neck is a thick as a bull’s. Bernie in contrast looks fitter than ever. But life has its own agenda: such is the stress of the political life that either man could fall victim to a heart attack at any time. Biden and the others should be ruled out for the reasons stated, including the Boy Wonder Beto, whose Kennedyesque appearance suggests a host of Kennedy-like defects of personality. If Bernie’s health presents an issue, the Deomocrats could do worse than Sheldon Whitehouse, whose calm and incisive questioning of Brett Kavanaugh was for me a highlight of the confirmation hearing. Amy Klobuchar is another Dem Senator whose unfazed demeanour at the hearing provided a healthy contrast to Kavabaugh’s hysterical and mendacious performance. Twitter Sorry there was an error. Please try again later. If the problem persists, please contact Userhelp 0 1 I’ve actually begun to like Hillary after her defeat. She took it with humility and eventually a bit of humour, and she seems far more likeable now. ElDanielfire Reply Report Share Reply Share on Facebook SayKnowToooSpelling Share 19 Dec 2018 23:08 Share on Facebook Share on Twitter Reply Share on Facebook LibertineUSA Share on Facebook 1 2 WillisFitnurbut hartebeest eveofchange Share Comments 1,532 Share on Facebook Reply Bernie would have won the last election. | Pick Report Report | Pick 20 Dec 2018 2:21 | Pick Just because Europe and UK are out to self harm themselves into irrelevance and destruction does not mean USA has to as well. Drain the Swamp, Stop the Rot, Trump in 2020, the man is a national Treasure. (MAGA) 14 15 Twitter Share on Facebook Facebook Twitter Twitter | Pick 19 Dec 2018 22:25 19 20 Bernie Sanders Share Share It is a bit damning that no real alternative has emerged on the left since 2016- though it shows how difficult it has been for such figures to rise to prominence within US politics. The current opening owes a lot to the fact that the heavyweights avoided the 2016 primaries to allow a Clinton coronation, with the unintended effect of creating space for Sanders’ message. But it also needs to be said that the main charge against Sanders= that he only appeals to ‘broscialists’ and doesn’t care about POC has been increasingly revealed to be a false narrative in recent polls, where he is doing better among POC than any other possible candidate. I just hope that the primaries this time are run on policy and not personality. Just look at the numbers AOC’s Green New Deal is polling, even among Republicans- a bold, substantive agenda for change can win this thing. I agree thanks bye Reply Share on Twitter eveofchange With less than two years until election day, no other Democratic candidate has the ability to defeat Donald Trump Reply Amen. Or perhaps something more secular. Bravo. Share on Twitter Share on Twitter This is why the USA needs to separate church and state. I’d bet most of those repuglican voters identify the GOP as the Christian party, and the Dems as Satanists. 4 5 Twitter 19 Dec 2018 22:31 Joe Dert Facebook Email (optional) Share on Twitter 2 3 Report Report That about sums it up….Should be a slam dunk for democrats but…… 0 1 Share on Facebook 0 1 Like Rome needed a leftward drift, Read your Gibbon, this self loathing, this becoming P****** as a nation – it is the end of Rome. Make your nation great, be strong, be proud, be moral, be all the Left is not. Reply Gregory Pittman | Pick Show 9 more replies Share on Twitter bpollutin Reply Share | Pick Share on Twitter William Anthony Facebook | Pick Twitter What’s the basis for your assertion? 19 Dec 2018 23:06 Share on Twitter Reply Nathan Robinson Report baldisgood Facebook Twitter DanInTheDesert Reply Donald Trump Share on Facebook KosmoKen Twitter Share on Twitter Share on Twitter Report Report 19 Dec 2018 23:24 Richard Sheehan Yep, only the odds and ends: 78% of Americans opposed attempts to repeal the ACA, 71% opposed the GOP tax bill, 80% support protecting dreamers, 70% oppose the child separation policy, 71% want to remain in the Paris Accord and accept the science of climate change, at least 60% support legal abortion, 90%, including 75% of gun owners, support rational gun control, 67% support Mueller’s probe, 67% opposed Kavanaugh’s appointment, and on and on. If you say so, bud. 10 11 The one potential candidate who does intrigue me is Sherrod Brown. Working class roots. Very progressive (though not Bernie Sanders style progressive. But then again who is?). Can connect with the blue collar Rust Belt voters needed to win national elections (he is progressive yet keeps comfortably winning senate races in Ohio). I have long thought that Brown was destined for something higher than the senate. We’ll see if he decides to run… Share Show 11 more replies Lynden71 Report Didn’t all the Ark A types die from a poorly sanitised phone? 10 11 3 4 7 8 Facebook Twitter Share expatinscandinavia There are only a few serious criticisms of Sanders, the main one being “he’s too old.’ But while age might be a more serious factor if the current president were far younger, Trump is a septuagenarian like Sanders. Sanders still shoots hoops, he criss-crosses the country giving speeches, and he has more energy than many of us who are less than half his age. If Trump tries to make an issue of Sanders’ superior age, experience, and wisdom, Sanders can just challenge him to settle it on the basketball court.There are a few other criticisms that can be made of Sanders, including his unfair criticism of leftist “open borders” advocates. He has cast bad votes (the 1994 Clinton crime bill comes to mind) and sometimes makes frustrating gaffes. I do not think Sanders is the ideal candidate, the one I would make in a laboratory. It would indeed be nice to have someone younger, ideally a woman of color (if only the constitution didn’t bar Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez!) But the question isn’t “Is Sanders flawless?” Rather, it’s “Is Sanders the best candidate we have available?” To that, the answer is clear. No other 2020 prospect comes close.• Nathan Robinson is the editor of Current Affairs Share on Twitter Share Share on Facebook Reply Share on Twitter Beto O’Rourke Loading comments… Trouble loading? Show 5 more replies Share on Twitter Twitter 19 Dec 2018 22:29 Share on Twitter 1 2 Reply Share on Facebook Share on Facebook | Pick Facebook Twitter Twitter Share on Facebook Facebook Share 19 Dec 2018 22:59 63 64 2 3 Reply Report Share on Twitter smallharmlesslizard Reply Facebook Reply Share MalachiConstant Reply Facebook 17 18 Twitter Share Melty Clock Facebook Share on Twitter Share on Twitter Report Share on LinkedIn One hopes that the left wards drift in us political thinking continues as a further swing to the right will feel lead to war as it’s logical conclusion Capitalism needs wholesale destruction to further its march themandibleclaw 19 Dec 2018 22:31 0 1 Twitter For whatever weight you may choose to give it the polling through the primaries showed Sanders beating Trump and Clinton as the only candidate who might lose to him. The centre-right Tim Kaine as VP?Clinton: medicare for all “will never come to pass”Schumer: “For every blue-collar Democrat we lose in western Pennsylvania, we will pick up two moderate Republicans in the suburbs in Philadelphia, and you can repeat that in Ohio and Illinois and Wisconsin.”Turning off the lights and turning on the sound cannons at the progressives during the DNC convention…Not allowing Nina Turner to speak at the DNC convention but letting Henry Kisisnger do so. I’m sorry but the Clinton team didn’t give a flying f**k about alienating progressives. “I just want some damn healthcare for me and my fellow citizens” USA HAS SOCIALISED MEDICINE! 1) over 65 get Medicare 2) poor get Medicade 3) work for any government from the Fed, down to a town park keeper, get health insurance 4) work for a corporation, get subsidised health care insurance 5) Military – get healthcare, after get VA and Tricare insurance exceedingly cheaply (and for family too) 6) make under $60,000 as a family, earned income (for 2 or more, or $35000 for 1) get Obamacare subsidized, all the way to almost zero payments at $20,000 – $30,000 And more ways TOO! No one may be denied health care because they cannot PAY FOR IT! If you cannot pay you still get seen! USA HAS SOCIALIZED HEALTH CARE! Report Reply Mrdaydream Report Twitter Reply Facebook Facebook Share on Twitter Share Show 7 more replies | Pick Report Share Report Twitter Share on Facebook | Pick Reply Melty Clock 19 Dec 2018 22:33 Boeing and Lockheed Martin have more say in that than you do. Facebook The joke used to be as follows:To understand American politics you need to this, the Republicans are a bit like our Conservative Party whilst the Democrats are… a bit like our Conservative Party. But the Republicans have moved so far right that it doesn’t work as well now. Share candoll smallharmlesslizard Share on Facebook Share on Facebook | Pick Share on Facebook Please select Personal abuse Off topic Legal issue Trolling Hate speech Offensive/Threatening language Copyright Spam Other Report I just want some damn healthcare for me and my fellow citizens and to stop bombing brown people to Kingdom come. Bernie does too, so I’m on board. Twitter 12 13 “As the voters move left,” The voters are not moving left as a group – only the odd and ends, showflakes, welfare consumers, ivory-towerists, soft science intellectuals, chair warmers – you know, all the ‘Ark ‘B” types. The people who actually get things done remain conservatives. I’m saying it’s more damning of the system than anything else, but nevertheless it would have been helpful to find someone younger. Plus, someone other than Sanders sidesteps the specious ‘cult of personality’ argument that gets trotted out by conservative Dems. That said, maybe Sanders’ no. 1 problem in 2016 was name recognition- something he does have in abundance now and something someone like, say, Sherrod Brown wouldn’t. FuriousKale Reply Do people want progressive? next Share on Facebook Lynden71 | Pick Twitter Share on Twitter Reply 14 15 | Pick Twitter 25 Reply | Pick oldest Twitter Bronxite | Pick Share on Facebook Share on Facebook Reply 10 11 Trump wouldn’t show up for the fight….he has his bone spurs to consider. Reply Share on Twitter Facebook candoll Jeffery Weaver is the man 19 Dec 2018 22:54 Show 6 more replies Facebook I feel the same way. Happy to support someone else with Sander’s views, record and ability to be lead from below but I don’t know who that might be. And the last part is important. My criticism of Sanders is that he is better on issues of economic than on issues dealing with war and peace but this most recent attempt to stop supporting the Saudis might represent a shift away from that thinking. We need a candidate who will end the wars and fund the the VA and, unless someone else emerges, that’s Bernie. SeaNote By Bernie…. Share | Pick Reply William Anthony Twitter Reply 3 4 Report Share Share Do people want progressive? Facebook Reply Share | Pick Facebook Share Share Share on Twitter Twitter Share on Twitter 9 10 Report Solluz Share on Facebook 2 3 Reply Reply Share Reply Share on Twitter Twitter KosmoKen Facebook Twitter Reply 19 Dec 2018 22:31 Report Twitter Report Twitter Share 20 Dec 2018 1:58 Share on Twitter Share on Facebook Share Lynden71 Share Twitter Facebook Share on Facebook Show 29 more replies Report For me Sanders is a good/better choice.But the role needs a special resilence, any president have to manage his project with what legislators make possible. They can find Congress and Senate that leave their projects less ambitious.He would find also thousand US Army bases distributed around the world, the great difficult of changing foreign policies.The biggest prison population in history, and specially minorities.Drug epidemy as never seen.Millions of young people ruined before their career has started.The amount on troubles in USA society is big, and it seems the most important is building a wall that is already built in its major part.(…) Reuse this content,View all comments > Report Share on Facebook | Pick Share on Facebook Report Speculation over the 2020 US presidential elections has already gotten contentious. The Democratic field looks as if it’s going to be crowded, and new prospects are floated by the press seemingly every week, from Oprah Winfrey to Beto O’Rourke. With just under two years to go until election day, it’s best not to become too consumed by presidential speculation. But for those on the left who want to defeat Donald Trump and advance egalitarian political values, it’s important to start to think about who can succeed. For those of us who believe in radically transformative political change, the choice is already clear – Bernie Sanders is the only viable option.Based on his record, Sanders should be the progressive favorite by default. In 2016, he ran an impressive insurgent campaign that came close to defeating the party elite’s handpicked candidate. Savvier Democrats have already recognized that Sander’s message is the one that best suits the mood of the electorate. 2 3 19 Dec 2018 23:16 3 4 Share on Facebook | Pick Share Report collapsed 19 Dec 2018 22:41 Facebook Facebook expatinscandinavia Joe Dert 19 Dec 2018 22:55 20 Dec 2018 0:32 It would indeed be nice to have someone younger, ideally a woman of color… Share on Twitter 50 51 Facebook Share on Facebook KosmoKen Topics Reply | Pick baldisgood Twitter Report Twitter Bernie for the Democrats would be just about the only thing I could see that would make a Trump second term an odds-on favourite. Bernie faced very little press scrutiny in the last campaign, partly because he was never favoured to win, but mostly because the right-wing press loved seeing him weaken Clinton and help the Republicans. If he were the actual Democratic candidate he has an entire career of far-left quote fodder that they will hang around his neck. I am afraid he is just way too far left to be electable in the US, and even Trump would have a solid chance against him (in fact having Trump as an opponent would also be the only thing that could possibly result in a Bernie presidency – any moderate Republican would massacre him). I am afraid it is a similar position to the UK – just when we need a moderate leftist to scoop up a huge majority we are saddled with the far left, making the race competitive. Sigh. Lol, but why not Hillary again? For old time’s sake? Twitter | Pick DanInTheDesert 19 Dec 2018 22:31 | Pick 20 Dec 2018 8:56 34 35 londonstillrocks eveofchange Share on Facebook Report Share on Messenger William Anthony Reply Report Share on Facebook Share on Facebook Twitter Share on Twitter | Pick 19 Dec 2018 22:22 Share on Twitter Has Bernie explained why Manafort protege Tad Devine was his campaign manager? Reply The democratic party has evolved. It is reaching a point, especially in California, where moving leftward is pre-requisite for state office. Your mango monstrosity wants his equally thuggish daughter to take over. Share 19 Dec 2018 22:33 Share on Facebook 19 Dec 2018 23:19 | Pick Share Report Share on Twitter 15 16 20 Dec 2018 2:25 Share on Twitter 1 2 Facebook Share on Facebook Twitter Share on Facebook Facebook Share on Facebook Since you’re here… Twitter Reply Share on Twitter Reply You liked the part where she blamed everyone else for her losing, and took no responsibility?Or when she recently made a joke about all black people looking alike, and is rewarded with “good one” from the sycophantic interviewer? Casual racism and deflection doesn’t really add to her appeal or electability. 0 1 “ideally a woman of color” Because that pool of viable candidates is so huge – haha, all this is is a call against White Men. There you have it, the Left, you do not love the minorities as much as hate the majority. Share Share geejay123 SilverTui Share on Facebook | Pick There’s only one way to find out. smallharmlesslizard Share on Facebook smallharmlesslizard 19 Dec 2018 22:57 Twitter Share on Facebook Share on Facebook Facebook Twitter Facebook Share on Twitter smallharmlesslizard 7 8 Share on Twitter SayKnowToooSpelling Report “Sanders would be our current president.” That is far from a certainty. In 2016 Clinton took it easy on Sanders in the Primaries in order to not alienate Progessives that she would badly need in the general election. Trump actively encouraged Bernie as a way of hurting Clinton who was thought to be the likely nominee. The point is that Sanders as yet has not faced a serious candidate in a general election. As shown in 2016 many of the attacks on Clinton like Benghazi despite being false or vastly overstated were effective in driving her numbers down. With Putin likely helping Trump and with their collective scandal mongering attack machines , their effect in driving Sander’s popularity down should not be underestimated. Share on Facebook Reply I’ve got an antidote for those feelings — her own words: Hillary Clinton: Europe must curb immigration to stop rightwing populists https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/nov/22/hillary-clinton-europe-must-curb-immigration-stop-populists-trump-brexit | Pick Facebook Share on Twitter Share on Facebook | Pick 9 10 Facebook Most Democratic Party politicians are highly dependent on corporate money to fund their campaigns, so true progressives are rare. As the voters move left, the leading politicians continue to resist this, a reactionary stance they characterize as “pragmatic.” TheRedThreat Agreed with the working class roots, populist style and progressive policies. I would vote for him. But I’m concerned that: 1. his instincts are more conservative with Sanders, he was quick to endorse Clinton 2. he just doesn’t seem to generate much grassroots excitement. Still, I’m open to the idea . . 20 Dec 2018 2:18 Reply Reply DanInTheDesert Facebook Share on Facebook DarenB Facebook expanded Twitter WillisFitnurbut Twitter 10 11 3 Reply Share on Facebook Share Share Show 2 more replies 19 Dec 2018 22:55 Facebook Report Share on Twitter Read more Report Twitter Matt M | Pick Share on Facebook Nash437 Twitter 19 Dec 2018 23:08 Report WillisFitnurbut Report William Anthony 19 Dec 2018 23:17 smallharmlesslizard Facebook Report 5 6 Report Nash437 20 Dec 2018 2:29 Share 2 3 jackrousseau Reply Twitter 2 Report 20 Dec 2018 2:29 19 Dec 2018 22:32 Reply | Pick 13 14 | Pick Share on Facebook Reply smallharmlesslizard Share on Twitter Share on Facebook Mrdaydream Report Reply Share Reply Share 20 Dec 2018 0:20 Facebook No politician , no matter what they claim, can fight an election from within the pro corporate Democratic party as a “socialist” .The two things are mutually exclusive. Sanders must fight as a socialist independent, with a view to making it mass party , or else his “progressive” message will be co opted by the right wing Democrat hierarchy, sanitised and Clintonised. Report | Pick Twitter 20 Dec 2018 2:24 Share As opposed to what we now have? Of course. Report I also realized that Trump seems to be more stressed… Share Share Reply Facebook Bernie Sanders 2020? Senator mulls second White House run Twitter Report nikgregor sanjeeva TheRedThreat Last modified on Fri 21 Dec 2018 08.05 EST The only chance of unseating Trump is to have a republican beat him in the primaries and that is as unlikely to happen as Sanders is to run in 2020. Polls put Bernie beating Trump by about 10 points. Also Clinton candidacy did more to help Republicans than Bernie ever could, with her at the top of the Democrat ticket Republican took over all 3 branches of government, and also took control of several states. Also let’s not forget that Trump has several indicted and convicted people associated with him which will hamper his prospect of reelection, plus his many questionable decisions. It won’t be an unvarnished Trump against Bernie, Reply RedMan30 Share on Facebook Share on Twitter Report Twitter Report Twitter Share on Twitter | Pick Twitter Why not? It was a huge applause line for Reagan when he successfully deflected questions about his age by talking down to Walter Mondale- a 56 year old former Vice President. former Minnesota AG and US Senator for 12 years! Show 5 more replies baldisgood Gregory Pittman Share on Twitter 1 2 Facebook | Pick Share Reply LibertineUSA If Sanders does run, Kamala Harris will beat him in the primaries–she’s a woman and she wades in the middle ground between the progressive left and democratic center–same sort of thing that happened in 2016. If he does run, he will most likely run as an independent and not a democrat, further ripping the left and centrists farther and farther apart. Meanwhile, Trump plays the party games, takes the nomination and another four years thanks to a split vote between dems and independents. Share on Twitter candoll Reply smallharmlesslizard I have been reading all your replies on this thread. Can you please tell me your home state as I Googled, “LSD legal in which U.S. states?” and it seems to be legal zero? Report Share on Twitter Report | Pick Twitter ‘Bernie Sanders’ ideas have set the agenda for the Democratic party for the past two years.’Photograph: Mandel Ngan/AFP/Getty Images Report Facebook Twitter Share Not Hillary – Chelsea Clinton! Keep it in the family! 38 39 Share Share on Facebook In 2016 Clinton took it easy on Sanders in the Primaries in order to not alienate Progessives that she would badly need in the general election. expatinscandinavia Report next Facebook Report Facebook 3 4 19 Dec 2018 22:57 More important question is what Putin and his army of voter-whisperers wants. … Share on Twitter Twitter Share on Twitter Reply Reply Facebook Facebook recommendations Read more William Anthony Why Bernie Sanders is (still) the most progressive choice for president MalachiConstant Share smallharmlesslizard Reply Share on Facebook | Pick Share | Pick Share on Twitter 19 Dec 2018 22:35 11 12 Share Lynden71 Share on Facebook Facebook Facebook 19 Dec 2018 22:17 Share on Facebook | Pick Report smallharmlesslizard 19 Dec 2018 22:37 3 6 7 It’s not really damning at all; it’s par for the course. Putting your hat in the ring for President is a very risky thing to do and it takes a lot of careful planning as every ‘i; you’ve ever dotted will be scrutinized.It is rare for serious contenders to share their candidacy until after the midterms and the closer to final year the better.Unfortunately I think your fear will be realized it will once more be about personality rather than policy. Share Report Reply “It would indeed be nice to have someone younger, ideally a woman of color” I would love to see Sanders run, but unfortunately it’s the ugly division of people by gender and race that is so prominent on the left now that could be a stumbling block for him. He will get more abuse from the left than from the right. And the fact that he criticised open borders just means that he could be electable. Never in a billion years would the US elect an advocate of open borders as president. renegadewren Share on Twitter Share on Facebook His ideas have set the agenda for the Democratic party for the past two years, with elected officials trying to burnish their progressive credentials by doing photo ops with Sanders and adopting his policies, from free college to Medicare for All (a plan that even the majority of Republican voters now favor). Many polls suggest he is the most popular politician in the country, and would be the clear favorite in a match-up against Trump. Attempts to portray Sanders as the candidate of white “Bernie Bros” ignore the facts – Sanders has higher favorability ratings among people of color than any other Democratic politician. It’s obvious that he’s the party’s best shot. He has a formidable team of experienced organizers, national popularity and name recognition, and a clear, bold agenda that can win over working-class people of all genders and races.What about the other frontrunners? Some current polls put Joe Biden ahead of Sanders in a potential primary. But while Biden’s “Uncle Joe” persona has endeared him to Democrats across the country, no serious progressive can support him. For one thing, Biden has declared himself indifferent to the concerns of millennial voters, saying he has “no empathy” for young people who complain about student debt, precarious employment, and high rent. I don’t know about other millennials, but I prefer a candidate who can empathize with me.Biden has also spent a long career in Washington failing to take important stands at critical points. He has misrepresented his pandering to racists during the 1970s, and his handling of Anita Hill’s testimony during 1991’s was infamously shameful. (After decades in which Hill waited for an apology from Biden, he finally gave a partial one this year, while still declining to accept blame for what happened to Hill.) If that wasn’t enough, Biden’s creepy history of routinely violating women’s personal space should make his candidacy a non-starter in the post-#MeToo era.How about Beto O’Rourke, the “Kennedyesque” golden boy currently being floated as a potential nominee? O’Rourke turned in an impressive showing against Ted Cruz in Texas. But O’Rourke is a member of the centrist New Democrat coalition, and his commitment to progressive values is so lukewarm that he refuses to even use the word “progressive” to describe himself. His record as a legislator is thin, and he has been noncommittal and evasive when discussing core progressive policies like tuition-free college and single-payer healthcare. Since he hasn’t taken the lead on pushing a left agenda in Congress, there’s little reason to think he would be effective at doing so as president.In fact, every candidate other than Sanders has qualities that should be deeply troubling to those on the left. Elizabeth Warren, whose calls for a more democratic economy put her closer to Sanders than any other senator, has called herself a “capitalist to my bones” – a sharp contrast with the democratic socialism with which the majority of millennials sympathize. (Warren’s disastrous handling of the “Native American” controversy also does not suggest the kind of nimble political instincts crucial to taking on a master of sleaze and scandal like Donald Trump.)Kamala Harris has a record of overseeing and then defending serious prosecutorial misconduct as California’s attorney general, and racial justice advocates strongly criticized her for her failure to hold police accountable. Cory Booker, whose political rise was fueled by corporate money, has such warm feelings for Wall Street that he actually criticized Barack Obama for being too harsh on private equity firms.Kirsten Gillibrand spent the first part of her career as a lawyer for Big Tobacco, and according to the American Conservative was originally elected by “running to the right”, such as by staunchly opposing drivers’ licenses for undocumented people. Gillibrand has recently begun to sound far more progressive, but someone who served as the paid agent for “merchants of death” faces a high burden to prove they’ve changed.A candidate should be judged on their record. Based on how recently most of the 2020 prospects have embraced the progressive agenda, it’s reasonable to suspect some opportunism. Sanders, on the other hand, has a lifelong history as a thorn in the side of the establishment. Even as a teenager, Sanders was getting himself arrested in civil rights demonstrations.As mayor of Burlington, he pioneered an innovative community land trust approach to affordable housing. He has been an efficient legislator, even earning the title “amendment king” for his success in getting measures through Congress. And he has shown a willingness to take principled stands, including his early opposition to the Iraq war plus his votes against the Defense of Marriage Act and the Patriot Act. Twitter Share Share on Facebook Have a recommend. Reply hartebeest | Pick J S Facebook Twitter 14 15 Share on Facebook | Pick Share 19 Dec 2018 22:31 Lynden71 | Pick Share Democrats Share on Facebook Share on Facebook Share on Twitter 18 19 Share on Facebook Report He was his strategist. Why would he need to explain it? It’s irrelevant.My neighbour murdered his wife, I do not share in his guilt, Likewise somebody who worked with Manafort doesn’t share his guilt. And another person removed in the chain even less so. Share Share 19 Dec 2018 22:31 crawfordcolo Share on Twitter Facebook Share on Facebook dissapointed123 Share on Twitter William Anthony | Pick Facebook 3 4 19 Dec 2018 22:21 I worked for the Sanders campaign. At our “barnstorming” events, about 30% of those attending, identified as republicans. Had the primary process not been compromised by democratic party leadership, Bernie Sanders would be our current president. 20 Dec 2018 8:55 | Pick | Pick Support The Guardian | Pick Share on Twitter 42 43 Reason (optional) 20 Dec 2018 3:17 Share on Twitter Facebook Share on Facebooklast_img

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